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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Jan 14, 2018 10:26:39 GMT
Kudos to England btw, shows what we can do when we fucking plan for a format of cricket
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Jan 14, 2018 10:29:45 GMT
also looking forward to the why didn't Plunkett and Wood comments too
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 14, 2018 10:32:06 GMT
Why didn’t Plunkett and Wood tho.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Jan 14, 2018 11:04:22 GMT
Cos neither of them are capable of bowling 20-30 overs an innings
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Post by Mattzo on Jan 14, 2018 11:48:55 GMT
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Post by Humair on Jan 19, 2018 11:38:58 GMT
Another professional win for England, with most of the England players performing well.
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 19, 2018 12:20:24 GMT
It's almost like ditching any meaningful red ball games to focus on white ball has made England better at white ball. Cos neither of them are capable of bowling 20-30 overs an innings 15 overs of Plunkett/Wood > 25 overs of Woakes/Broad being panned to the boundary.
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Post by lawrence on Jan 19, 2018 17:41:36 GMT
Like your post on cricinfo today Ballader, agree that Stokes should not just walk back into side
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 19, 2018 20:25:46 GMT
Cheers Lawrence! Funnily enough they didn't publish my one about why they're advertising videos only available in the Indian subcontinent in an England/Australia match...
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Jan 19, 2018 23:02:01 GMT
It's almost like ditching any meaningful red ball games to focus on white ball has made England better at white ball. Cos neither of them are capable of bowling 20-30 overs an innings 15 overs of Plunkett/Wood > 25 overs of Woakes/Broad being panned to the boundary. Ok, I'll play along...what has either done with a red ball at test level to suggest the above would be true?
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 20, 2018 9:45:51 GMT
They've been designated right-arm fast. 'Is that it?' Yup. The attack England took to Australia was headed by Anderson, Broad, and Woakes. That's three right-arm fast-medium swing bowlers. Overton seemed to me (correct me if I'm wrong Somerset fans) to be a line-and-length chappy, but when he was replaced by Ball or Curran, that made four right-arm fast-medium swing bowlers. And if Stokes had made it, it would have been five right-arm fast-medium swing bowlers. In a country with a ball, neither of which swing much. Oh, and some of that lot bowl seam occasionally. The Kookaburra ball has a crap seam though. So, you're around the forty over mark. The ball has lost all signs of life, there may be a hint of reverse but no more, and Smith and whoever have settled in against England's rfm merchants. What do you do to try and get them out? You bring in something different. Except that for most of the tour, that variety consisted of Moeen (out of form) and Root (won't bowl himself much). Maybe you couldn't have predicted Moeen's lack of form, but then again, maybe you could have been packing a pacer who could also shake things up a little? That's where someone with a different pace or a different angle (skiddy action/left-armer/more bounce) comes in handy. It's different. The batsmen have to adjust. That's when they're most likely to make mistakes. Wood has pace and a skiddy action. Plunkett has pace and bounce. Heck, Toby Roland-Jones wasn't fast, but he had bounce. Obviously the selectors' hands were tied because two of those were injured, but is that variety a sign they'd have been better picks than RFM Bowler No. 2049 off the county production line? I'd say, definitely. Look at the best pace attacks in the world today. When fit, Australia has a left-arm fast swing bowler, an rfm line-and-length chap, and a right-arm pace-and-bounce fella. South Africa has swing at pace, wobble-seam, express pace, and Morkel's hostile bounce. Even India has a swing merchant, a reverse swing merchant (different blokes so they don't get tired), a skiddy fella, and somebody with raw pace that they bewilderingly dropped for Ishant Sharma recently. I'm not saying they would have won, even with a more varied bowling attack. Because Australia also had a varied bowling attack, who would have been faster and better. I am definitely saying the surfeit of rfm bowlers was a hindrance. And so was Steve Harmison, for what it's worth. (All opinions entirely unoriginal, King Cricket says the same thing better.)
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Jan 21, 2018 11:19:26 GMT
Yeah I know and I get the right arm fast argument, and fully agree in principal, my argument is based on their form and fitness not style of bowling.
If we look at the form question, plunkett bowled in 2 county matches last season and was bobbins, wood bowled in home test matches, which should have favoured him and was bobbins, fitness wise, well kind of feel 50% validated this morning sadly with plunkett pulling up after 21 overs in just over a week.
Had either of them played a fair amount of red ball stuff in 2017 and bowled well id have fully advocated their selection, but they didn't which is why I stand by my view
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Post by Srihari on Jan 21, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
So happy to see Australia be so shit in ODIs. Please England, please whitewash them.
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 21, 2018 18:56:24 GMT
I think it's possible! I do wonder what happened to the squad rotation thing from that first series vs. NZ though. Ensured that the squad depth was kept alive. Yeah I know and I get the right arm fast argument, and fully agree in principal, my argument is based on their form and fitness not style of bowling. If we look at the form question, plunkett bowled in 2 county matches last season and was bobbins, wood bowled in home test matches, which should have favoured him and was bobbins, fitness wise, well kind of feel 50% validated this morning sadly with plunkett pulling up after 21 overs in just over a week. Had either of them played a fair amount of red ball stuff in 2017 and bowled well id have fully advocated their selection, but they didn't which is why I stand by my view Fitness is the big bogey in my argument, and I'll admit that they're more likely to break down... but I can't help thinking they'd have been more likely to take wickets, even out of form, before breaking down than Woakes/Broad on average. (Plunkett anyway, Wood was already broken.)
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Post by Balladeer on Jan 26, 2018 8:08:29 GMT
That is quite the whoopsie.
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