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Post by Mattzo on Oct 3, 2016 17:50:43 GMT
Oh, how dare the man want what is best for Hampshire.
I disagree with him regarding the fairness of the sanctions, but it is neither surprising he thinks that nor is the rest of what he says particularly objectionable.
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Post by Balladeer on Oct 3, 2016 17:52:14 GMT
No, I'll agree, the rest of it isn't. Just that bit.
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Post by nemouk on Oct 4, 2016 8:09:43 GMT
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Post by aneesh on Oct 4, 2016 12:55:10 GMT
That escalated very quickly. Durham being relegated is one thing. That AND a 48 point penalty is utterly insane. Nowhere have I ever heard two punishments for the same reason. Heck, put them in Div One with a 48 point penalty, they will be relegated anyway, ECB (if that is what they want to see). Colly summarized this as a 'kick in the nuts'. It is a kick in each nut, twice. And who is a nutter here? What is ECB trying to prove? This is beyond reason, methinks.
And what more should Kent do in order to get promoted? Maybe this is the logic: Durham are docked points from their tally in this season and they finish below Hants, meaning Hants stay up and Durham go down with Notts. In that case, Essex are the only team that ought to be promoted. But that isn't the case. ECB made it clear that the docked points were for the next season, which means Kent should be in the division one next season.
Durham had it coming, but this one was a double whammy. Kent must be cursing their luck after finishing second only to see the rules changed. And now they are denied another opportunity. That is screwing two teams, twice. Well done, ECB.
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Post by Srihari on Oct 4, 2016 16:29:43 GMT
Words fail me and I'm still struggling to comprehend why all of this now
The simple and logical explanation is after trying with all their might to send Durham down as they weren't big enough via the pitch, the ecb just thought what the heck they have had enough and so let's relegate them and just so they don't come up immediately let's slap on a points penalty as well.
As I said when the thought of points penalty was discussed on these parts, just swell.
I guess we start next season as favourites for the wooden spoon instead of relegation. I suppose that is a change I should welcome
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Oct 4, 2016 17:21:27 GMT
The sad thing is, this could be the first nail in the coffin for Durham, without Stoneman or Borthwick next year, and Durham likely to once again be without Stokes or Wood for the majority of the season a -48 starting position all but guarantees no chance of promotion, if a few other players leave it could be a long time before we see them in the top division again. Sad times indeed, as whilst I don't know anything about the financial situation, I can't imagine it has been player wages which has put them in this position
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Post by aneesh on Oct 4, 2016 18:05:10 GMT
It looks like Keaton Jennings has a clause or something in his new deal that in the event of Durham's relegation, he would be off. Well, as if the situation wasn't worse already, players leaving the club at this juncture would leave them in deeper trouble. Hope ECB are enjoying this. They must be thinking like this "Gentlemen, its time we systematically destroy the county cricket. One club at a time"
It seems that there is no sign of financial imprudence that has caused it in first place. Summary of the problem is that the CLS was to be developed as a test ground incurring massive amounts for stadium development, to get the test matches in first place. Now that the stadium is developed the club has incurred debts which it is unable to pay off in time. Whilst many are citing Ageas bowl and Headingley bailouts, we faced a similar situation a couple of years ago when the stadium redevelopment meant that we couldn't sign good players (You thought the Kolpaks were gone, didn't you?) and operated on a limited budget. ECB has been doing the same thing to every other county club, forcing them to develop and yet not giving time or the resources for redevelopment or revamping, whilst all other routine things happen all along. Now it beggars belief that why would ECB force their will on the counties while it is evident that it is a failed model.
Now imagine the plight of CLS stadium. It has been redeveloped to host test matches, spending massive amounts of money only to find that it cannot host test matches as part of the ban. Sucker punch? Irony? All the development and no point in that, oh in fact -48 points. It gets incredulous every time I read about it.
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Post by Balladeer on Oct 5, 2016 8:28:02 GMT
I am still kinda hoping that Durham will return to the top flight next season, spitting in the eye of the ECB as they do so. Yes the odds are strongly against it. Yes they've likely lost their top three. But this is Durham, for crying out loud! Home of the England Seamer Production Line!
Produce a green-top at CLS, get three/four bonus points for every home game, bowl feeble second-division teams out like they're feeble and second division. You only need 200 runs if the opposition can only muster 100 in each innings, of which Colly will probably get 80 on his own against the first-change bowlers. Northern grit ain't limited to Yorkshire. And if you win every home match, -48 points will start to feel like a distant memory at around the halfway point in the season.
I must stress that I don't think is likely. But there's a decent outside chance.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Oct 5, 2016 9:08:59 GMT
Keep Rushworth, Onions, and Jennings and there is a chance of going up, but it's be pretty damned tough. Teams will do to Durham what teams have one to Yorks this last few seasons, every away game will be played on a drop in pitch prepared by Mick Hunt as they'll be too scared of their bowling line up to do otherwise, Durham meanwhile will be inclined to prepare bowling pitches, which will provide the visitors with a slight advantage as they'll be able to bowl first!
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Post by Balladeer on Oct 5, 2016 9:19:20 GMT
Be fair: Mick Hunt produced shite pitches for everyone, not just Yorkshire.
And you'd think that Durham will still be able to outbowl most second division teams, including a Ball-less Notts., even if they have to go second. If the first innings are 100 plays 90 then that's game on. Away from home it will of course be trickier.
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Post by aneesh on Oct 5, 2016 11:35:50 GMT
Certainly there is a strong chance of Durham coming right back up, it will be tough but there aren't many contenders for two promotion spots. Sussex and Worcs were very inconsistent, Kent are the only team with Notts that can threaten Durham. And mind you, there is the possibility of the two additional games (10 team season) to aid their cause. Two full points wins would wipe off the penalty and they will start afresh. They won against a lot of Div one teams, you could expect them to roll over the Div 2 teams.
And Mick Hunt produced shite for every game of the whole damn season, for sure. Not sure if they were pitches though.
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Post by nemouk on Oct 5, 2016 12:35:21 GMT
Rushworth and Onions in Division Two could be something properly destructive. Very tempting for the old fantasy team this coming season...
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Oct 5, 2016 13:06:56 GMT
The issue is, that 2 full points wins won't get Durham level with anyone, as even teams losing the first two matches would be looking to rack up say between 10 and 12 bonus points by that time, so it would in a best case scenario for Durham take them until after the 3rd round of fixtures to be off the bottom of the table, and that's with them managing to avoid weather impacted games in the first few rounds!
And for ref my Mick Hunt comment was about his approach to the whole season not just to Yorks!
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Oct 5, 2016 13:07:30 GMT
Rushworth and Onions in Division Two could be something properly destructive. Very tempting for the old fantasy team this coming season... my thoughts too, which means avoid them both at all costs everyone!
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Post by aneesh on Oct 5, 2016 22:12:14 GMT
Doughie Brown has stepped down as coach of Warks, who are looking to replace him with Giles. Some of the Lancs fans are delighted with this already. Gilo has done a good job giving chances to the likes of Hameed, Jones and Mahmood but still has to shoulder some part of the blame for a disastrous and almost-relegation form we had endured after the first 5 games. Really would like to see Chapple promoted and Freddie to be regularly involved with the coaching as well.
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