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Post by Balladeer on May 10, 2021 12:05:04 GMT
Go on then: which non-regular would you pick? Bracey? COverton? Critchley? Parkinson? And who's the first choice opening pair at the moment?
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Post by nemouk on May 10, 2021 13:16:53 GMT
Picking a seam attack is going to be an absolute joke for this series.
Anderson Broad Archer (maybe injured) Woakes Stone Wood Coverton Robinson SCurran
Just silly.
I think my team would be fairly conservative really, New Zealand are good.
Sibley Burns Crawley Root Stokes (if fit, otherwise Lawrence) Pope Buttler Woakes Leach Broad Anderson
But I'm always excited by debutants. Bracey looks very good for my money, he'd be the closest for me.
We could also go full banter and pick this ridiculous tail:
Sibley Burns Crawley Root Stokes (Lawrence) Pope Buttler Moeen Woakes Coverton Robinson
Five bowlers and every single one a gun bat. Could even add Curran...
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Post by soulcircus on May 12, 2021 7:54:10 GMT
Robinson needs to play for me. I think he will be crucial for the Ashes, so needs to be blooded in this series.
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Post by nemouk on May 12, 2021 9:05:41 GMT
Robinson needs to play for me. I think he will be crucial for the Ashes, so needs to be blooded in this series. I'm intrigued by the Robinson thing - everyone seems to have decided that he's suited to Aussie conditions. Whenever I've seen him bowl, he seems a very similar player to Craig Overton (and therefore Broad too). What does he do that's different? All three are very good and everything, but Robinson doesn't feel like an X factor bowler in the same way you could argue Wood/Stone/Saqib are? Definitely possible I've missed something, obviously I've watched 20x more of Overton than I have of Robinson!
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Post by soulcircus on May 13, 2021 7:49:26 GMT
Hove is my closest ground so I've seen a fair amount of him. Closest bowler to McGrath we've got in that relentless top-of-off rhythm. Overton is more pace and bounce for me. Those two plus some express pace from Wood/Stone and then one of Broad and Anderson and that's a great attack for Down Under.
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Post by Balladeer on May 13, 2021 17:36:35 GMT
I'm surprised by 'Robinson for Oz' too, always assumed he was another England swing bowler. Also, isn't it the other Overton who's pace and bounce? Coverton does seem to be a L&L merchant, albeit a damn good one.
I would definitely give Ollie a game though, probably over one of Broaderson.
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Post by nemouk on May 13, 2021 19:12:59 GMT
Coverton is maybe somewhere in between. Joverton is faster, but Coverton is faster than he was when he last played for England (I'd guess consistently 85ish) and still gets plenty of bounce with lots more control than Jamie. Honestly he reminds me a bit of Bresnan when he was England level - you forget he was genuinely good for a while because he's gone on so long. Maybe similar to Broad too, particularly in the tendency to go into enforcer mode when grumpy.
Just think from what I've seen both Cove and Robinson are more like for like replacements for Broad and Anderson (and Woakes, who lest we forget was England's best bowler last summer) than they are complementary bowlers - could play them all in England, but in Aus you're going to want one of Wood, Archer and Stone with two of that group.
The obvious but difficult side effect of Broad and Anderson's incredible longevity and excellence is that the next generation aren't getting the chances their performances would have earned in any other era of England.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on May 14, 2021 8:05:24 GMT
Coverton is maybe somewhere in between. Joverton is faster, but Coverton is faster than he was when he last played for England (I'd guess consistently 85ish) and still gets plenty of bounce with lots more control than Jamie. Honestly he reminds me a bit of Bresnan when he was England level - you forget he was genuinely good for a while because he's gone on so long. Maybe similar to Broad too, particularly in the tendency to go into enforcer mode when grumpy. Just think from what I've seen both Cove and Robinson are more like for like replacements for Broad and Anderson (and Woakes, who lest we forget was England's best bowler last summer) than they are complementary bowlers - could play them all in England, but in Aus you're going to want one of Wood, Archer and Stone with two of that group. The obvious but difficult side effect of Broad and Anderson's incredible longevity and excellence is that the next generation aren't getting the chances their performances would have earned in any other era of England. Couple of good points there, firstly about Broaderson's longevity, I wonder when another quick bowler last played 6 or more consecutive tests for England? Any ideas anyone? Secondly, if COverton is another Bresnan, that's a VERY handy type of player to have, one of the most under rated England players ever I reckon, big contributions in wins against the best home and away
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Post by nemouk on May 18, 2021 14:04:23 GMT
Joe Root (Yorkshire) Captain James Anderson (Lancashire) James Bracey (Gloucestershire) Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire) Rory Burns (Surrey) Zak Crawley (Kent) Ben Foakes (Surrey) Dan Lawrence (Essex) Jack Leach (Somerset) Craig Overton (Somerset) Ollie Pope (Surrey) Ollie Robinson (Sussex) Dom Sibley (Warwickshire) Olly Stone (Warwickshire) Mark Wood (Durham)
Squad seems eminently sensible, and strong considering no IPL players at all. Hard to see a team you could pick from this without needing 6 batsmen though, Coverton at 7?
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Post by Balladeer on May 18, 2021 14:11:21 GMT
The lack of Stokes, Woakes, and Curran really hurting England there. I'd assume a 6/4 split with no Leach and Lawrence/Root combining to provide the fifth bowler.
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Post by nemouk on May 18, 2021 14:32:45 GMT
Yeah I think you're quite right about that, which means more exciting opportunities for Jack Leach to be in an England bubble without getting a game. Would really help if one of our batsmen bowled seam up, but none of these do.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on May 18, 2021 19:20:17 GMT
That's not perfect for the ol fantasy cricket to be honest! Would imagine they're looking at no spinner too, certainly one of COverton or Robinson will play for sure given their form with the bat you'd think
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Post by Balladeer on May 26, 2021 12:24:16 GMT
Oh fuck off.
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Post by nemouk on May 26, 2021 12:34:47 GMT
Well, that resolves the top order selection issues. Bracey keeps and keeps well, Burns is reprieved.
Nice to see Hameed involved but can't help think he'd get more benefit playing for Notts than carrying drinks.
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Post by Balladeer on May 26, 2021 12:48:11 GMT
There is no way Hameed should be involved at this point. Call up Lyth instead, or Libby, or anybody else who hasn't absolutely been through the ringer in the last few years.
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