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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Nov 5, 2016 6:31:55 GMT
Doesn't matter who they play against, always nice to see someone smashing the Aussies round the park! Steyn i'd say is the only unarguably world class quick bowler since McGrath retired, it's hard to really raise any challenge on his ability. There have been a number of quicks, like Jimmy A, who have done some great things, but there can't be many who'd choose him over a fit Steyn?
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Post by lawrence on Nov 5, 2016 6:41:16 GMT
Cricket still has the wonderful ability to surprise me, SA 3rd wicket partnership 232 so far between Duminy and Elgar.
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Post by Humair on Nov 5, 2016 11:10:49 GMT
Another superb day for South Africa, finally some runs for Duminy.
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Post by aneesh on Nov 5, 2016 13:06:46 GMT
Its about perspective as much it is about stats. For instance, if Chris Rogers played 200 tests like Sachin, he would have had a better career aggregate, and Bradman, Gower, Hobbs and Hutton would have as well. That is never the measure of greatness (imo). Stats are like bikinis, eye catching yet pointless. Lot of people would regard Massie as a legend, England fans would rate Freddie as the best all-rounder ever. Its all about what one's preference is. As for Anderson, his career stats do not show any wide variations. For instance, since 2010, Anderson has averaged 23.51 against a career average of about 28. But what stats do not point out is his mastery over swing bowling that is a visual treat.
If stats were everything, Ali Daei is a better player than Messi and Crisitano Ronaldo put together. Just saying.
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Post by aneesh on Nov 5, 2016 13:20:09 GMT
The partnership yielded exactly 250 runs. And surely its an uphill task for the Australians here. Lets see how they do.
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Post by Srihari on Nov 5, 2016 19:49:02 GMT
You have managed to not only spell Dele Alli wrong but also choose a preposterous example to highlight what you are trying to say.
I wasn't even talking stats, ask any batsman who they would rather face at their pomp and Steyn would unanimously win over Anderson. Steyn could do everything, pace swing reverse swing variations and was consistent as well which is what makes him great
And the reason why Rogers isn't considered a legend because he started late and was nothing more than a good reliable opener. He averages 40 and even if he played a million games he wouldn't be rated over Sachin let alone Bradman or Viv.
Weird examples to highlight a point that is based on the wrong premise
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Post by aneesh on Nov 5, 2016 20:29:09 GMT
You have managed to not only spell Dele Alli wrong but also choose a preposterous example to highlight what you are trying to say. I wasn't even talking stats, ask any batsman who they would rather face at their pomp and Steyn would unanimously win over Anderson. Steyn could do everything, pace swing reverse swing variations and was consistent as well which is what makes him great And the reason why Rogers isn't considered a legend because he started late and was nothing more than a good reliable opener. He averages 40 and even if he played a million games he wouldn't be rated over Sachin let alone Bradman or Viv. Weird examples to highlight a point that is based on the wrong premise Point 1: Ali Daei
Point 2: "if south Africa played nearly as many Tests as England did" - Rogers and Sachin. If you see the statistics when they were of the same age, they are incredibly similar and that is the point. Point 3: "Anderson has always been good at home and inexpensive away" was what I clarified using statistics. Point 4: "Weird examples to highlight a point that is based on wrong premise" - Its called perspective / point of view or opinion. Weirdly, "wrong premise" is you thinking that I meant Dele Alli.
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Post by aneesh on Nov 5, 2016 20:30:54 GMT
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Post by aneesh on Nov 5, 2016 20:35:22 GMT
For more: See this
And he is NOT DELE ALLI.
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Post by lawrence on Nov 6, 2016 6:33:47 GMT
Meanwhile back to the game, Australia set 538 to win lose Warner after 50 opening partnership. Brilliant run out apparently and as Sir Geoffrey often says 1 brings 2, Marsh falls to Rabada same over
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Post by Srihari on Nov 6, 2016 7:16:06 GMT
That run out has got to be one of the best piece of fielding I have seen in a long time. Bavuma you beauty
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Post by aneesh on Nov 6, 2016 7:20:13 GMT
Ooooh, signs of variable bounce. Its going to be fun.
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Post by Srihari on Nov 6, 2016 7:27:45 GMT
You have managed to not only spell Dele Alli wrong but also choose a preposterous example to highlight what you are trying to say. I wasn't even talking stats, ask any batsman who they would rather face at their pomp and Steyn would unanimously win over Anderson. Steyn could do everything, pace swing reverse swing variations and was consistent as well which is what makes him great And the reason why Rogers isn't considered a legend because he started late and was nothing more than a good reliable opener. He averages 40 and even if he played a million games he wouldn't be rated over Sachin let alone Bradman or Viv. Weird examples to highlight a point that is based on the wrong premise Point 1: Ali Daei
Point 2: "if south Africa played nearly as many Tests as England did" - Rogers and Sachin. If you see the statistics when they were of the same age, they are incredibly similar and that is the point. Point 3: "Anderson has always been good at home and inexpensive away" was what I clarified using statistics. Point 4: "Weird examples to highlight a point that is based on wrong premise" - Its called perspective / point of view or opinion. Weirdly, "wrong premise" is you thinking that I meant Dele Alli. Fair enough I thought you were talking about the overrated englishman. Also FYI, Sachin made his debut when he was in his teens and Rogers made his after turning 30 so at the same age, Sachin had nearly 10,000 runs while Rogers had none. And I was referring to Rogers and Sachin comparison when I meant wrong premise That Steyn and Anderson is not.using stats to demonstrate a point but stating facts. Nothing wrong in having a opinion but anyone who has seen cricket would tell you that Anderson isn't as effective /threatening across all conditions as Steyn and that is a fact. Don't even need stats to justify that which is why I said Anderson would be a English legend and not all time Cuz he hasn't shown himself to be as good if not . close everywhere he has played but rather been inexpensive and doing the job of containing by and large in conditions that don't suit him which is a huge compliment in fact
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Post by aneesh on Nov 6, 2016 7:58:41 GMT
100 up for Aussies and 50 partnership between these two.
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Post by aneesh on Nov 6, 2016 9:00:23 GMT
One wicket leading to two, Smith and Voges fall to Rabada, Khawaja hits a half ton. Aussies are 4 down now for 146.
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