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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Nov 10, 2021 14:12:01 GMT
You can have a "no hoper" county you're fonder for, I find. Derbyshire or Leics or Glamorgan are strong candidates! That WAS Yorks for the past few years.....esp in white ball stuff
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Post by Balladeer on Nov 10, 2021 14:16:22 GMT
Just seen your 'team supported' thing Pierre, kudos for that. What's your second county team? Those players I have selected in my fantasy teams and that's about it, you can't really have a 2nd County team tbf Definitely can! I've had Middlesex (because Londoner supporting Durham), Leicestershire (upbringing), and Somerset (no connection just wanting them desperately to win something). Or just Kent because Darren Stevens.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Nov 10, 2021 14:26:11 GMT
Ha....born in E Yorks, went to school in Hull, Uni in Sheffield where I stayed on, other than 2 years living in Pune been here all my life so i've not really got an emotional connection to any other county really.
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Post by Balladeer on Nov 10, 2021 15:52:50 GMT
I didn't have an emotional connection to Durham six years ago!
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Post by nemouk on Nov 16, 2021 10:54:11 GMT
Azeem Rafiq is speaking to the parliamentary committee today, and can speak freely without legal recourse under parliamentary priveledge.
It's really quite difficult to listen to. Not many coming out of this well, but the focus can't be on individuals, as easy as it is to slip into that trap. Cricket needs to take this very, very seriously.
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Post by Balladeer on Nov 16, 2021 13:19:36 GMT
The impression I'm getting from live text is that Rafiq was excellent as expected, Hutton was pretty good, Harrison was dreadful, and nobody else white involved with Yorkshire seemed to come out of things terribly well. Does that about cover it?
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Post by nemouk on Nov 16, 2021 13:31:08 GMT
If you're looking for someone involved in Yorkshire to come out of it well, Matthew Hoggard seemed to do better than most - calling Rafiq privately to apologise for anything he said or overlooked during his career.
But yes, the point generally is this isn't bad apples. It's a bad tree, and literally hundreds of people stood by and said nothing at the very best. And the ECB are, as ever, a shower of bastards.
Edit: Although in full written evidence you can see what Hoggard did to merit the apology and... it is not good. So no, nobody comes out well.
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Nov 16, 2021 14:39:24 GMT
It's not just Yorks with institutional racism issues, this is obv a lot wider, i'm both delighted and shocked watching what's happened today, delighted that it's all coming out in the open, there should be no where to hide, shocked for the obvious reasons. Hutton came across well, an obviously frustrated individual at not really being able to affect anything, his point about not being able to kick out Graves without the say of the Graves foundation was particularly poignant.
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Post by nemouk on Nov 16, 2021 15:06:25 GMT
Agreed. The Graves Trust issues are a very thorny and difficult issue because, quite simply, nobody has the money to buy them out. None of the MPs seemed to really push on the fact that until very recently indeed, Colin Graves was the ECB though?
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Post by nemouk on Nov 16, 2021 20:31:39 GMT
The full 57 pages of Azeem Rafiq's testimony are... just awful.
I've never really doubted that English cricket has been racist in thought and deed, but I figured it was a bit more insidious and less openly awful than this. I don't think I quite expected it to be this... constant stream of shit, shit 'banter' jokes. Ugh.
God knows what you do about all these players.
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Post by Humair on Nov 17, 2021 12:28:23 GMT
It was a shocking document to read, even though I always thought that these kinds of things were taking place. Not sure how you sanction/educate the people named in the report, but hopefully it tells people this kind of behaviour is unacceptable and it can be reported and taken seriously.
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Post by Balladeer on Nov 19, 2021 7:55:47 GMT
www.thecricketer.com/Topics/banner/azeem_rafiq_apologises_antisemitic_messages_surface.htmlUnsurprisingly perhaps, Azeem isn't perfect himself. (Honestly you go back to when I was in school and you'd find me sharing all sorts of racist and sexist shit I'm not proud of.) The last line of that article is particularly worrying though. If this becomes some sort of excuse for the media et al. to suddenly reduce the emphasis on the wider picture I swear to God...
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Post by pierredelafranchesca on Nov 19, 2021 8:57:02 GMT
Already seen some thundercunts like Farridge piping up about this as though it excuses the whole thing.....racists may never learn.....BUT as with this whole situation, it's mainly about educating, about people fronting up, like Rafiq, Brooks and Hoggard have and saying i'm sorry, I acted like a twat and regret my actions, similar to the Ollie RObinson situation, we cannot punish people forever for stupid things done years ago, we simply need apologise (genuine apols only!), to educate each other, hold each other to account and move on.
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Post by nemouk on Nov 19, 2021 9:20:05 GMT
Rafiq's comments are pretty shitty, but they reinforce rather than weaken the underlying point that professional sport generally and Yorkshire especially seems to be obsessed with "bantz" that are just plain old fashioned abuse, bullying and racism in various guises.
Apologise, learn and move on to better things. Brooks, Rafiq and Hoggard seem to have done that. Hales, Ballance and Bresnan seem to have... issued very limited apologies but have at least started. Vaughan, Moxon, Gale and Arthur still seem to be digging in to the we did nothing wrong position.
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Post by Balladeer on Nov 19, 2021 10:05:20 GMT
There's also a world of difference, despite them both being horrible, between what Rafiq said and going to a party in blackface.
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