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Post by belleoftheredball on Aug 6, 2016 8:25:11 GMT
I think the Murican in me must be hampering my ability to become a true cricket convert as sadly I don't dream about stuff like this. All of yours look lovely though & I honestly do miss Rogers. Sigh... Warner. Ick.
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Post by nemouk on Aug 6, 2016 8:26:48 GMT
With that top six, you really shouldn't need to pick bowlers because they can bat a bit.
Keeper is the real issue for me, if you don't give the gloves to AB then you have a player who doesn't fit with the others quality wise, I genuinely don't think there's a keeper even close to world class in the world at the moment. Watling is perhaps the best of a bad bunch.
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Post by Mattzo on Aug 6, 2016 9:29:43 GMT
I took notes from sky. They picked 12 rather than 11 for all conditions.
You want an allrounder – Stokes due to his dynamism & is an entertainer. Two spinners – Ashwin and Yasir Shah. Ashwin also has all round capabilities. Herath third in the list. Keeper – AB de Villiers. More flexibilility in the team over someone like Sarfraz who was mentioned as one of the best keepers. Two main quicks – Anderson and Starc first names mentioned. Third seamer – Morkel or someone similar for their height and to complement Starc/Jimmy Openers – Cook (obviously) and Warner. Complement each other well and nobody else stands out unless you promote someone like Amla. Number 3 and the Middle Order – Williamson, Smith, Kohli, Root, Amla are the options. Williamson probably best technically. Warne wants Smith for his last 12-18 months form. Raja would go for Kohli, Smith, Root. Athers went for Root, Kohli, Williamson. Warne for Smith, Kohli, Root. Captain – Virat Kohli, despite Athers' and Raja's reservations over his temperament. Social Media – Williamson overwhelmingly instead of Smith, and Steyn included.
Final 12:
Alastair Cook David Warner Joe Root Virat Kohli © Steve Smith AB de Villiers (wk) Ben Stokes Ravi Ashwin Yasir Shah Mitchell Starc James Anderson Morne Morkel
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Post by Balladeer on Aug 6, 2016 9:44:44 GMT
Steyn's dropped away a bit though hasn't he?
If they can get AB to keep then obviously him, but he's not keeping at the moment. Watling once again goes under the radar, feel he's a better keeper then Sarfraz.
Room for debate over Angelo/Stokes. Do you need either if you're playing Ashwin?
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Post by Steadzz on Aug 9, 2016 7:41:33 GMT
It's ironic that both me and Sri outlined that Shah was unproven out of Asia and as soon as he's playing outside questions are being thrown up from every angle. Ashwin's first test 5 fer outside of Asia happened to be in the Windies where the ball spins a fair bit nowadays so he still has some work to do to fully convince me and Herath is still Herath. Will have to reassess my full XI in a bit...
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Post by aneesh on Sept 22, 2016 22:34:40 GMT
My Dream international XI will be:
Alistair Cook Quinton De Kock (wk) Kane Williamson (c) Joe Root Steven Smith Ben Stokes Yasir Shah Trent Boult Dale Steyn James Anderson Sunil Narine
12 to 15: Morne Morkel Hashim Amla Chris Woakes
I am going for broke as far as the keeper is concerned. Pretty balanced test attack in my opinion, 4 fast bowlers and 2 spinners must do a pretty job anywhere in the world considering all the 4 bowlers can reverse the ball. Anderson and Steyn would open the bowling, Boult coming in as first change (like Mitchell Johnson). There is one off-spinner and one legspinner (2 part-timers). Medium pace trundlers will not be required and if needed, Kane will be there. A good team overall, I guess.
If I were to select the best XI that I have seen play in my opinion (ever since I started watching cricket), it would be:
Alistair Cook Rahul Dravid Ricky Ponting Brain Lara Steve Waugh Andrew Flintoff Adam Gilchrist (wk) Shane Warne James Anderson Muralitharan Glenn McGrath
12 to 15: Allan Donald Michael Clarke Kevin Pietersen
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Post by Srihari on Sept 23, 2016 8:46:27 GMT
Narine don't play no tests and yasir has shown himself to be the conducive conditions bully like all good modern spinners Also de kock doesn't usually open in tests and plays in the middle order
I could forgive you for all of that if u hadn't just picked arguably the world's best no.3 after Bradman (but since Don was from another world anyway let's say this world's best no.3) and had him open.
That's just criminal
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Post by Srihari on Sept 23, 2016 8:49:25 GMT
It's ironic that both me and Sri outlined that Shah was unproven out of Asia and as soon as he's playing outside questions are being thrown up from every angle. Ashwin's first test 5 fer outside of Asia happened to be in the Windies where the ball spins a fair bit nowadays so he still has some work to do to fully convince me and Herath is still Herath. Will have to reassess my full XI in a bit... Agree with the first part but id still stick with my top 10 and have starc as 12th man instead of the retired Johnson and depending on surface whether it swings or it is flat pick either Boult or starc and on current form I'd say it would be the latter
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Post by aneesh on Sept 23, 2016 10:05:46 GMT
Sri, I always thought when Rahul Dravid (who happens to be my favourite player, ever to play cricket) batted at No.3 for India in the early noughties, the first wicket would inevitably fall in the first 5 overs and the Wall would be taking guard. Rahul Dravid is the best ever batsman to play for India, no doubt. But his exploits as openers are underrated. Against Pak, he and Virendera Sehwag scored the second highest opening partnership (411 I think). He batted at No 2 in his most successful series in terms of comparative performances (England in 2011). When no players had a clue to England's bowling, he literally stood as the one man army. Also, Dravid is as effective as No 5 as he is at No 3, where he has played many backs-to-the-wall epics. If I were to shift any other batsman in the line-up like Ponting or Lara, they have never batted at No 2 regularly enough to warrant a spot. Ponting at No 3 isn't daft either he is just as good as Dravid, its just that both have extremely different approach to batting. To give stability to the lineup, I chose Dravid at No 2.
Well, do Windies players play international cricket regularly? I don't know. Yasir isn't effective in non-turning pitches, yes. But that is how spinners worked, well every spinner, except Warnie maybe. But barring Yasir or Tahir, there aren't many legspinners who would have a place in the XI.
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Post by Srihari on Sept 24, 2016 8:25:07 GMT
West Indies do but Narine only plays ODIs and T20Is.
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Post by aneesh on Sept 24, 2016 12:05:28 GMT
Santner in, Narine out then? Santner being a slow left arm bowler would give that team greater balance. Joe Root can bowl a couple of overs of offspin if required.
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Post by nemouk on Oct 6, 2016 14:38:14 GMT
I'm having a very, very slow day at work so thought I'd do a test 'dream' side with only one player from each nation (so one non test player required... or two if you don't think any Zimbabweans merit it!). Trickier to balance than you might expect actually.
1. Kraigg Braithwaite (West Indies) 2. Tamim Iqbal (Bangladesh) 3. Hashim Amla (South Africa) 4. Virat Kohli (India) 5. Ed Joyce (Ireland) 6. Angelo Matthews (Sri Lanka, captain) 7. Johnny Bairstow (England) 8. Josh Hazlewood (Australia) 9. Dawlat Zadran (Afghanistan) 10. Yasir Shah (Pakistan) 11. Trent Boult (New Zealand)
Any swaps in or out of that? Considered Craig Ervine or Sean Williams for Zim but they really are a right state.
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Post by Balladeer on Oct 6, 2016 14:46:29 GMT
I'd do a three way rotation to include Ashwin/Root/Sarfraz. Cannot stress how little I rate Kohli in Tests (compared to how highly he seems to be thought of). Also theoretically Mustafizur/Shahzad, but the former really does need to play more Tests.
No Zimbabweans is probably right.
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Post by nemouk on Oct 6, 2016 15:20:38 GMT
Ashwin is probably a reasonable shout, but I'm not sure I rate him much more than I do Kohli outside of India. Pujara might be worth a mention, scoring rate be damned.
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Post by Srihari on Oct 7, 2016 4:34:58 GMT
Jinks is ur man for all conditions. I'm any case you have better Pakistan and England players than the ones that you picked
Couldn't agree more re kohli and his test form he is nowhere near his ODI stature. Also this Ashwin 2.0 will do well outside and besides he is an excellent bat so overseas if he won't bowl as much u can play him at no.6 as the all-rounder
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